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okay a little saucer life mini thing

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here maybe not so many lengthwise but

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we've got some interviews and

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conversation between me and the uh the

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cast members of our children of agalon

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holiday special drama thing so if you

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liked that if you enjoyed that and you

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want to hear a little bit of background

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about what went into this

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this is for you

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so we're going to start off with my

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conversation with the saucer wife and

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her conversation with me about uh all of

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this

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uh then we'll be talking to samantha

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engel who's my co-host over on great

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lakes lore and then finally long-time

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chizzo associate simpson j hanover iii

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with some

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revelations into the deep history of

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chiso media going back

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okay we are here with the saucer wife

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who played salvariana

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or salvariana yes of ariata it's been a

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while since i've said the word

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salvariana or sally

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in the children of agalon

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um

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saucer wife what was your first

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i told you what

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uh my first reaction would have or was

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uh i wondered how much time

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that this

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actually took you to do

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well i think i told you about it before

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i actually started any of the work right

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no

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into this instead of

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doing

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various household duties your job you

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know those important things nobody

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nobody who pays me had any question

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about whether i was doing my job or not

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take a little bit of time um

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what acting experience

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do you bring did you bring to this

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um when i was in uh

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third fourth and fifth grade i

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starred in our church's christmas

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productions

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um i also

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was a

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cast member briefly

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for

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a production of south pacific

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at a local high school

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when i found out i was just going to be

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um i i quickly um

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grew tired of that

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so you're basically just a diva

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not good enough for a real part huh

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well i was a freshman oh that that that

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makes sense

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okay so so quite a bit of acting

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experience then um

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not not too different from from other

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members of of the cast maybe i think

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probably a little more than me a little

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less than samantha and simpson

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really didn't have any acting background

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so what was your impression of the

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uh this was about six months ago yeah i

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know when i um encountered the character

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what i could remember is that i wanted

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her to be some sort of

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and did that come through in the script

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is this the impression you got of her

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from the script or is this just

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something you wanted to play

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something that i really wanted to play

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and and i feel like it you know it was

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typecasting for me

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developed this character you were you're

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purely thinking of me i was actually i i

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wrote her with with you in mind yes

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yep i wasn't thinking femme fatale um

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because you're not really that

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deadly but

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person who answers to a [\h__\h]

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life that i have been in in those

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circumstances

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not not working on the show though right

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correct okay so when i make that clear

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she i do not consider the saucer wife to

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be my employee in any way um

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yeah so so you saw a lot of yourself in

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her yeah okay what did you think of the

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owen character that you failed to fall

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in love with so spectacularly

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uh he really was quite dopey wasn't he

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he uh he was kind of dopey um dopey

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women yeah do you feel like the

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character of own was based on you and in

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dopey to that extent that was sort of an

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goalie uh sort of level of gomer pile

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reference for you kids out there gomer

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pyle what was i think what was the um

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the funniest moment or a fun moment you

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remember from one of the sessions where

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was doing and i can't remember the

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character's name forgive me um but he

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has to use this very very deep voice mr

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gallipoli yes yes and um

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not expecting it at all um so as soon as

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he started speaking um we just

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all started laughing yes uh listeners we

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i didn't know she was going to say that

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but i do have that scene isolated and

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pulled out and you can share in our in

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our merriment

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i was like don't don't do it

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what did you think about simpson's other

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character the the elon character your

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tell us who and what company though

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i i believe that i'm i'm not gonna

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just just this guy who's who's basically

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until he retires doing the bare

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bare minimum and not caring

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it's too long until i can retire i can't

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say you're much too young to have that

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attitude that's very kind of you to say

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you you wouldn't have noticed because

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you were at work all the time and i was

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a little underemployed early in our not

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unemployed underemployed early in our

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marriage i had you know some random

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afternoons where i didn't have much else

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novel about a contact e cult that was

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worked on you know this spring when i

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thing it was so serious it was a very

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serious sort of

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you know dramatic work and i realized

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very quickly that that one i do not have

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the uh the talent to to write a a

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serious dramatic work and two

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something funny

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sam that i could turn into like a

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audio drama for the podcast and she was

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like that's a really good idea that

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would be a lot of fun and you know you

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various skit things on the podcast but

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that was close to like the hour that

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this was so you know the audience had

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left in droves after we had done those

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things before and you know i'm always

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looking for ways to drive drive the

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audience away so i thought you know

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you're interested

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sam's interested simpson was gonna be up

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here for a week in the summer and

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basically had nowhere else to go so we

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could rope him into this

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so it was like oh yeah so yeah he just

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something about a contact decult would

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do you think there will be like a second

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chapter to this or uh or a sequel

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i don't know it would be we kind of

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wrapped up this story with everybody

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sort of doing you know what they're

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contact e sweatshop um child labor

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sweatshop and i think that could be fun

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sally working a desk job you know sort

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of troubleshooting reports i don't know

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i'm not sure if there's anywhere for the

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story to go but

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i have a feeling there might be more

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stuff like this in the future i don't

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i did i was not expecting this to be as

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lengthy as it was as i was putting

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everything together i was like oh my

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gosh 56 minutes yes and let's talk about

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the scenes that just disappeared

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scenes the several scenes that we

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i was i was acting as my own recording

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engineer and i

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through the magic of technology we did

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which which um just kind of triggered

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something a thought for me

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we just watched manos the hands of fate

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and

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that because the gentleman who wrote it

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correct who wrote the script

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also starred in it starred is is maybe

294
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an overstatement but he was in it yes

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didn't he direct it

296
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yes

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didn't you

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i mean

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star yes

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didn't you

301
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right actually i would i would say that

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that

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my character was probably the most minor

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character in the whole thing so i

305
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wouldn't say star okay

306
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did you act in i did this

307
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did you write this yes did you produce

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it i did did you direct it i did

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darling

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this is your man house i know this is my

311
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man this is my plan nine from outer

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space isn't it i'm like ed wood um

313
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what was the mystery science theater

314
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line poor dope wasn't smart enough to

315
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spread the blame around um

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yeah um

317
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it is and you know what if this is my

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manos if this is my plan nine from outer

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space

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complete with making of documentary um

321
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released afterwards in a very sort of

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pretentious way um

323
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honestly i'm fine with that and

324
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i i think you know we'll leave it up to

325
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to posterity to to sort of see i think

326
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it'd be interesting possibly then if if

327
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a listener would

328
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would then riff this

329
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i

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[Laughter]

331
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um

332
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yeah i don't know that that's i

333
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i don't think i don't i guess it's

334
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riffable yeah um anything's riffable so

335
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yeah i don't i thought it was i thought

336
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in in summary i thought we had a pretty

337
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fun time working on it

338
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um

339
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the editing was

340
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grueling which is why

341
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this was supposed to come out

342
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in the summer everybody um and then it's

343
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like oh you know i can you know bring it

344
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out in the fall and then i was like oh

345
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gosh okay it's the holiday special

346
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because i don't have time to get to this

347
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so

348
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here it is um

349
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so thank you saucer wife for uh for

350
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answering some questions and for asking

351
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some questions and for appearing in the

352
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uh in the children of agalan

353
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yeah okay

354
00:14:46,710 --> 00:14:44,480
yeah

355
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it was just another one of your crazy

356
00:14:51,030 --> 00:14:49,760
ideas i do seem to have a lot of them

357
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don't i

358
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this one didn't involve money so

359
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well

360
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i had to buy some new microphones or

361
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some extra microphones you also bought

362
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wings i bought wings you had to we had

363
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to buy wings for for everybody but uh

364
00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:06,639
you know that was

365
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that was okay

366
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that's fun

367
00:15:19,829 --> 00:15:17,269
so samantha

368
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um what acting experience what acting

369
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background do you have are you an

370
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experienced thespian

371
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um i was in drama throughout high school

372
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um

373
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little women and adam green gables that

374
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kind of thing but then my senior year we

375
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did beauty and the beast and i was

376
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cogsworth the clock which is very proud

377
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of so um yeah that's um i haven't really

378
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done anything since then though other

379
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than like church christmas dramas and

380
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yeah so it's it's a different sort of

381
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thing doing i think voice over acting

382
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rather than

383
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stage acting i i did a little bit of

384
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stage acting in college and

385
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sort of the the audio drama thing it's

386
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it's a little different feeling because

387
00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:07,040
you feel like you have to sort of

388
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generate these facial expressions and

389
00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:11,279
gestures that that people are never

390
00:16:16,310 --> 00:16:13,759
going to see did you find the transition

391
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to voice work to be

392
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at all difficult or a challenge

393
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um

394
00:16:25,430 --> 00:16:22,800
well i've done some radio interviews for

395
00:16:28,069 --> 00:16:25,440
work before um so

396
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so doing the thing where you just have

397
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your voice out there nothing else um

398
00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:34,240
wasn't terribly new but yeah i mean i

399
00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:36,000
noticed that i do different facial

400
00:16:39,910 --> 00:16:38,240
expressions and i'm talk with my hands a

401
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:39,920
lot so you know even while i'm doing

402
00:16:44,230 --> 00:16:42,000
stuff they're going but um

403
00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:44,240
in some ways i think that still helps

404
00:16:49,189 --> 00:16:46,160
you to

405
00:16:52,069 --> 00:16:49,199
get into it you know so yeah even when

406
00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:52,079
we do the podcast you know i'm always

407
00:16:57,189 --> 00:16:54,720
gesturing and doing things and

408
00:16:59,350 --> 00:16:57,199
um you know yeah so

409
00:17:01,269 --> 00:16:59,360
i don't know

410
00:17:03,350 --> 00:17:01,279
yeah i i've i've found the same thing

411
00:17:06,230 --> 00:17:03,360
with with when we when we do great lakes

412
00:17:08,789 --> 00:17:06,240
lore we're on video when we're not in

413
00:17:11,350 --> 00:17:08,799
the studio in person and it's i catch

414
00:17:13,350 --> 00:17:11,360
myself you know nodding you know and

415
00:17:15,429 --> 00:17:13,360
just sort of things that other people

416
00:17:17,110 --> 00:17:15,439
know that you're that they're picking up

417
00:17:18,470 --> 00:17:17,120
on those those sort of

418
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non-uh

419
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non-visual

420
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seeing so non-verbal non-verbal cues

421
00:17:30,950 --> 00:17:28,000
so

422
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:30,960
what do you think of roslyn as a

423
00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:32,799
character

424
00:17:36,390 --> 00:17:33,840
um

425
00:17:37,669 --> 00:17:36,400
i think she

426
00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:37,679
however

427
00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:38,960
like

428
00:17:43,029 --> 00:17:41,690
dishonest she is at times um

429
00:17:45,110 --> 00:17:43,039
[Music]

430
00:17:47,430 --> 00:17:45,120
you know she's kind of a

431
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:47,440
badass woman trying to

432
00:17:51,909 --> 00:17:48,880
make a living

433
00:17:54,870 --> 00:17:51,919
um you know so she's out

434
00:17:56,470 --> 00:17:54,880
doing her thing kind of a strong

435
00:17:57,909 --> 00:17:56,480
female character a bit of a bully a

436
00:17:59,350 --> 00:17:57,919
little too much of a bully for me i'm

437
00:18:02,630 --> 00:17:59,360
not really

438
00:18:05,669 --> 00:18:02,640
like i'm not a bully so that's

439
00:18:08,470 --> 00:18:05,679
not something i can relate to um but

440
00:18:10,950 --> 00:18:08,480
but yeah she's got a touch of the like

441
00:18:13,029 --> 00:18:10,960
she wants to achieve things

442
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:13,039
yeah and um

443
00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:14,559
in the original

444
00:18:19,110 --> 00:18:16,240
version of this

445
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and i think you saw some of the early

446
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:21,679
earliest drafts of stuff because you

447
00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:24,080
actually you you sort of pushed me to to

448
00:18:29,750 --> 00:18:25,840
do this when i was like

449
00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:29,760
oh gosh g chiso media saucer life

450
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:32,160
audio drama that seems like

451
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:34,240
something that would be

452
00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:36,160
fun but

453
00:18:40,789 --> 00:18:38,160
weird i don't know how and you sort of

454
00:18:42,390 --> 00:18:40,799
like pushed me to do it a little bit

455
00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:42,400
originally she was

456
00:18:46,310 --> 00:18:44,160
just a straight-up

457
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:46,320
con artist carney

458
00:18:50,870 --> 00:18:47,679
grifter

459
00:18:52,630 --> 00:18:50,880
type and i think as you and i were

460
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:52,640
robbing a bank or something after yeah

461
00:18:56,390 --> 00:18:53,840
yeah she was getting like she was

462
00:18:58,789 --> 00:18:56,400
actually like leaving in the like right

463
00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:58,799
after doing something bad yeah she was

464
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:01,039
she was on the lam and ends up in this

465
00:19:06,230 --> 00:19:03,600
little town and gets and gets pulled in

466
00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:06,240
to all this and i think what

467
00:19:09,590 --> 00:19:07,840
what we sort of ran into i think you

468
00:19:11,830 --> 00:19:09,600
actually asked is like

469
00:19:13,350 --> 00:19:11,840
why would somebody who's just pulled off

470
00:19:15,029 --> 00:19:13,360
a bank heist

471
00:19:16,390 --> 00:19:15,039
decide to

472
00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:16,400
ghostwrite

473
00:19:22,390 --> 00:19:20,559
ufo books and i was like oh yeah that's

474
00:19:25,190 --> 00:19:22,400
it's a really good question

475
00:19:26,549 --> 00:19:25,200
so she became a writer who

476
00:19:30,150 --> 00:19:26,559
a writer with

477
00:19:32,789 --> 00:19:30,160
you know questionable ethics yes

478
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,799
and and a bit a bit pushy and a bit of a

479
00:19:37,669 --> 00:19:34,640
bully but in

480
00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:37,679
in in the sort of

481
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undocumented

482
00:19:42,710 --> 00:19:40,799
numinous

483
00:19:44,350 --> 00:19:42,720
year this might take place which is

484
00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:44,360
anywhere between like

485
00:19:50,070 --> 00:19:47,440
1961 and 1973

486
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:50,080
or something um i think a woman in her

487
00:19:54,630 --> 00:19:51,200
position would have to be a little a

488
00:19:57,350 --> 00:19:54,640
little pushy and and

489
00:20:00,789 --> 00:19:57,360
assertive to the point of being

490
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:00,799
you know a bully so and and owen

491
00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:11,350
another question i had i had for you

492
00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:19,669
what was the question i had for you

493
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:21,600
my final question

494
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,720
is

495
00:20:28,710 --> 00:20:24,799
we had the little epilogue where

496
00:20:30,149 --> 00:20:28,720
roslyn's running the meditation center

497
00:20:32,470 --> 00:20:30,159
um

498
00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:32,480
what where do you think this flash

499
00:20:37,110 --> 00:20:35,840
forward 10 15 years where do you think

500
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:37,120
roslyn

501
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:43,830
um

502
00:20:48,630 --> 00:20:45,830
leaving her own little cult

503
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:48,640
oh okay i mean that's kind of what she's

504
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,200
building there right like yeah i think

505
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:52,799
she's

506
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:56,480
she seems manipulative enough that

507
00:21:00,950 --> 00:20:59,840
she'd get people

508
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:00,960
you know

509
00:21:04,630 --> 00:21:03,760
working for doing stuff for her whatever

510
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:04,640
and

511
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,880
be able to like feed them what they want

512
00:21:10,070 --> 00:21:08,880
to hear

513
00:21:11,590 --> 00:21:10,080
um

514
00:21:13,270 --> 00:21:11,600
i mean she says

515
00:21:15,430 --> 00:21:13,280
people are looking at it as a sweatshop

516
00:21:16,630 --> 00:21:15,440
but clearly the people who are there

517
00:21:19,270 --> 00:21:16,640
um

518
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:19,280
they're there right yeah

519
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:21,440
being fed their low protein gruel to sap

520
00:21:26,070 --> 00:21:24,080
their will you know things like that i

521
00:21:26,950 --> 00:21:26,080
kind of imagine

522
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:26,960
yeah

523
00:21:32,470 --> 00:21:29,600
i kind of imagine that she um

524
00:21:33,909 --> 00:21:32,480
she runs afoul of of labor regulators

525
00:21:35,430 --> 00:21:33,919
and

526
00:21:37,430 --> 00:21:35,440
has to start up

527
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,440
somewhere else but she's she's learned a

528
00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:40,000
lot or this is

529
00:21:42,870 --> 00:21:41,440
actually

530
00:21:45,190 --> 00:21:42,880
no i'm not going to share that idea

531
00:21:47,029 --> 00:21:45,200
because that could be a sequel

532
00:21:49,190 --> 00:21:47,039
assuming that that this production

533
00:21:50,149 --> 00:21:49,200
didn't run off the listeners in droves

534
00:21:51,990 --> 00:21:50,159
um

535
00:21:53,350 --> 00:21:52,000
there could be a sequel maybe i mean i

536
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:53,360
almost said that she would end up in

537
00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:55,520
jail but um

538
00:22:01,590 --> 00:21:59,039
i i like to think that she got it all to

539
00:22:03,750 --> 00:22:01,600
work out for her the way she wanted

540
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:03,760
you know the um the little epilogue

541
00:22:10,310 --> 00:22:07,440
thing uh her little paragraph there um

542
00:22:13,590 --> 00:22:10,320
there was a draft that existed for about

543
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,600
half an hour where roslyn didn't have a

544
00:22:16,710 --> 00:22:15,039
paragraph there it was simply the

545
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,720
narrator saying

546
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:18,640
rosalind is currently doing 15 years for

547
00:22:22,710 --> 00:22:20,559
fraud in the federal penitentiary at

548
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:22,720
terre haute you know so so that was

549
00:22:27,510 --> 00:22:24,640
going to be her

550
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:27,520
her epilogue but um

551
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:28,400
i

552
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:29,440
not

553
00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:34,240
first so

554
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:37,200
the only other question i have is is

555
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:39,039
do you think rosalind should this is me

556
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:40,480
as a writer talking do you think

557
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:42,010
rosalind should have had a last name

558
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:43,840
[Music]

559
00:22:48,149 --> 00:22:44,960
no

560
00:22:50,549 --> 00:22:48,159
okay cause i i couldn't think of one and

561
00:22:52,230 --> 00:22:50,559
then i ended up writing a little gag

562
00:22:55,350 --> 00:22:52,240
where she just sort of refuses to tell

563
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:55,360
people her last name so seems right yeah

564
00:22:59,430 --> 00:22:57,280
i mean she writes under the pseudonym

565
00:23:01,430 --> 00:22:59,440
she uh

566
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,440
yeah she's just rosalind

567
00:23:05,750 --> 00:23:04,080
yeah she's she's just rosalind um and

568
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:05,760
looking through the script um sheamus

569
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:08,320
mcgirish was in a couple places sheamus

570
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:11,039
oh irish you know i i kept thinking i

571
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,880
needed to point that out to you and then

572
00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:15,200
i kept forgetting until i came across it

573
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:18,640
myself so i did not notice it too i was

574
00:23:24,549 --> 00:23:21,440
a poor poor story consultant on that one

575
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:24,559
i i was well that's more of a script

576
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:26,559
editor thing jimmy the messenger boy was

577
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,400
doing our proofreading and he didn't do

578
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,320
a very good job he was too busy screwing

579
00:23:33,909 --> 00:23:32,080
up those christmas invitations screwing

580
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,919
up the great explorer party

581
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,679
for more of that listen to the uh the

582
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,200
monsters on the christmas tree episode

583
00:23:41,190 --> 00:23:39,280
of great lakes floor from a few weeks

584
00:23:43,830 --> 00:23:41,200
ago yeah uh

585
00:23:46,470 --> 00:23:43,840
for for i i didn't notice it until we

586
00:23:47,190 --> 00:23:46,480
were actually recording that scene and

587
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:47,200
and

588
00:23:53,110 --> 00:23:52,000
wait what

589
00:23:54,630 --> 00:23:53,120
and so

590
00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,640
i was like oh

591
00:23:58,230 --> 00:23:56,480
wow i don't know i think mick irish

592
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,240
works better than oh irish yeah those

593
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,000
those two vowels

594
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:01,600
yeah it doesn't work

595
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,200
very well at all

596
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:06,080
uh well sam thanks for uh thanks for

597
00:24:09,110 --> 00:24:07,840
talking to us uh where can people find

598
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:09,120
you

599
00:24:18,230 --> 00:24:16,960
that's a better way to put it i do not

600
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:18,240
really want to have more facebook

601
00:24:20,710 --> 00:24:19,840
friends so

602
00:24:23,269 --> 00:24:20,720
um

603
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,279
yeah so check out the great lakes lore

604
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:25,279
account so we're great lakes lower on

605
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,480
instagram and great lakes lore on

606
00:24:32,710 --> 00:24:30,240
uh twitter

607
00:24:34,789 --> 00:24:32,720
and facebook and facebook very easy our

608
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,799
website is greatlakeslore.com

609
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,440
and um personally i'm on twitter as

610
00:24:41,669 --> 00:24:39,360
samanthangle76

611
00:24:43,750 --> 00:24:41,679
so you can find and follow me there i

612
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:43,760
don't twitter freaks me out a little bit

613
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,039
no i'm

614
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:47,200
not confident in my tweeting so i don't

615
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:50,080
tweet a lot but once in a while there's

616
00:24:53,269 --> 00:24:52,000
some banter there's some banter there's

617
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:53,279
some cookies

618
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:54,400
there's some

619
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:57,200
dog pictures dog pictures yeah so

620
00:25:01,909 --> 00:25:00,080
so it's it's a good sort of low stress

621
00:25:04,149 --> 00:25:01,919
follow-on it is

622
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:04,159
yeah no drama on my twitter account no

623
00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:05,520
drama no

624
00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:14,789
okay we're here with simpson jay hanover

625
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,200
the third one our associate producer on

626
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,000
the saucer life and uh long-time

627
00:25:24,149 --> 00:25:23,039
chiso media consigliere long time long

628
00:25:26,710 --> 00:25:24,159
long time

629
00:25:30,390 --> 00:25:26,720
so um simpson

630
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:30,400
this is i believe not your your first

631
00:25:37,269 --> 00:25:33,919
uh opportunity at voice acting but it

632
00:25:38,870 --> 00:25:37,279
may be the first time you've had to do

633
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:38,880
i think

634
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:41,360
three parts three separate

635
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,400
parts maybe maybe so yeah and i and it's

636
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:46,000
also probably the first time that more

637
00:25:51,190 --> 00:25:47,760
than about three people have heard my

638
00:25:54,149 --> 00:25:51,200
words yes uh i it's i i think we might

639
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,159
have upwards of five listeners

640
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:56,640
uh this uh this little audio drama here

641
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:58,240
um so

642
00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:01,200
i i think it's safe to say that you've

643
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,480
taken the role of mr gallipoli and

644
00:26:08,230 --> 00:26:06,480
honestly over the past two decades

645
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:08,240
that's not a lie folks over the past two

646
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,360
decades have made it your own what was

647
00:26:14,789 --> 00:26:12,720
the

648
00:26:20,149 --> 00:26:14,799
inspiration

649
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:20,159
mr gallipoli mr gallipoli uh the voice

650
00:26:23,909 --> 00:26:21,600
the deep voice

651
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:23,919
yes well i think it was mostly just that

652
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,320
i wanted an excuse to talk like that

653
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,760
i just

654
00:26:31,430 --> 00:26:29,600
that's not my normal speaking voice so

655
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:31,440
drawing a donut to the lower register

656
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:32,880
it's just kind of fun to

657
00:26:38,870 --> 00:26:35,600
fun to play with it that way and

658
00:26:42,789 --> 00:26:38,880
and personality wise i'm i think i'm not

659
00:26:45,510 --> 00:26:42,799
a very confrontational person so i agree

660
00:26:47,670 --> 00:26:45,520
yeah so i i i kind of liked having mr

661
00:26:49,750 --> 00:26:47,680
gallipoli be just sort of a jerk

662
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:49,760
[Laughter]

663
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,720
um

664
00:26:54,549 --> 00:26:52,559
so what did you think about the story in

665
00:26:57,909 --> 00:26:54,559
general when you first saw

666
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:57,919
the script what did you think

667
00:27:01,830 --> 00:27:00,799
so it's it's funny you would ask because

668
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,840
um

669
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:04,480
you know back in the late 90s when we

670
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:06,720
were just messing around with recording

671
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:10,240
stuff for no one really except ourselves

672
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,400
we used to joke about about making a

673
00:27:16,549 --> 00:27:15,120
concept album rather than an album of

674
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:16,559
music yes

675
00:27:19,510 --> 00:27:18,000
this

676
00:27:21,990 --> 00:27:19,520
but we were always just kind of making

677
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,000
up stuff as we as we went along over the

678
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,679
summer just kind of having fun and this

679
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:25,200
this actually is

680
00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:27,600
organized and um

681
00:27:32,950 --> 00:27:31,120
and creative and funny and i like it i

682
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:32,960
like it it was it was funny and it i

683
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:35,360
think also it's it's nice because it

684
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:36,559
ties in

685
00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:38,880
with a lot of topics that the saucer

686
00:27:43,990 --> 00:27:40,880
life has covered you know there's

687
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,000
there's contact d stuff in there and

688
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:47,279
um but but not not too over the top it's

689
00:27:50,310 --> 00:27:49,360
really in a in a funny way and it just

690
00:27:52,870 --> 00:27:50,320
um

691
00:27:55,110 --> 00:27:52,880
i like it yeah i i think when i when i

692
00:27:56,549 --> 00:27:55,120
was writing it i wanted to do contact

693
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:56,559
east stuff but i you know it's a

694
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:59,039
contact-y story but

695
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,960
people will recognize things i think but

696
00:28:06,310 --> 00:28:03,360
they're more they're more easter eggs

697
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:06,320
than you know trying to be kind of a

698
00:28:09,750 --> 00:28:07,760
straight-up

699
00:28:10,950 --> 00:28:09,760
homage to

700
00:28:12,630 --> 00:28:10,960
you know

701
00:28:15,110 --> 00:28:12,640
a particular contact easter there's the

702
00:28:17,590 --> 00:28:15,120
fizzy drink thing um from orpheo

703
00:28:20,389 --> 00:28:17,600
angelucci and sort of structurally the

704
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:20,399
iterations of the story changing

705
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:22,720
in various formats that's a lot like

706
00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:24,480
angelucci's and other contact these

707
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:25,600
stories

708
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:26,720
as well

709
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:28,880
i think actually you know it's funny i

710
00:28:32,470 --> 00:28:30,880
think my favorite part about this whole

711
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,480
thing aaron is

712
00:28:36,549 --> 00:28:33,679
that the

713
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,559
the aliens are here but they're not

714
00:28:40,950 --> 00:28:38,720
they're not particularly high-minded and

715
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:40,960
they're not particularly competent you

716
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:44,399
know and that's like i think

717
00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:46,880
in in most of the contact e stories or

718
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,440
or any alien stories the assumption is

719
00:28:53,669 --> 00:28:51,600
that the aliens are either really really

720
00:28:55,269 --> 00:28:53,679
brilliant really brilliant or really

721
00:28:57,669 --> 00:28:55,279
devious or

722
00:29:00,310 --> 00:28:57,679
really inspired or something like this

723
00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:00,320
and and and in in this story they're

724
00:29:04,950 --> 00:29:02,000
really just kind of like

725
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,960
um functionaries doing their job

726
00:29:09,029 --> 00:29:07,200
self-interested without any real

727
00:29:10,870 --> 00:29:09,039
high-minded purpose but also without

728
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:10,880
being particularly devious they're just

729
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:13,840
kind of i don't know i like that

730
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:15,440
they're uh they're an intergalactic

731
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,320
bureaucracy um or interplanetary i never

732
00:29:22,389 --> 00:29:20,640
really say where agalon is it could be

733
00:29:27,430 --> 00:29:22,399
in our galaxy it's probably in our

734
00:29:28,870 --> 00:29:27,440
galaxy i i assume it is um

735
00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:28,880
if i would have been

736
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,279
know thinking about it if i would have

737
00:29:35,669 --> 00:29:33,279
read the right contact d stuff before i

738
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:35,679
wrote this i would have put in you know

739
00:29:39,830 --> 00:29:37,120
pages and pages and pages of

740
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:39,840
descriptions of the engine room you know

741
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,320
or the equipment and the in the you know

742
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:44,080
mess hall or something but

743
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,360
um

744
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,200
i didn't really uh didn't really have

745
00:29:51,430 --> 00:29:50,000
that and honestly the um

746
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:51,440
i don't know how i haven't put it all

747
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,799
together yet so i don't know how long

748
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,399
it's going to end up being but however

749
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,640
long it is i cannot believe we actually

750
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:59,120
got everybody together in various places

751
00:30:02,389 --> 00:30:00,559
and various ways at various times to

752
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:02,399
record everything we did

753
00:30:07,750 --> 00:30:05,520
um which was fun by the way it was it

754
00:30:09,350 --> 00:30:07,760
was i wish we could have done more um i

755
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,360
wish everybody involved in chiso media

756
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:12,240
didn't live at least an hour away

757
00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:16,399
from the studio so anywhere from one to

758
00:30:20,470 --> 00:30:18,320
72 hours away

759
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,480
from well the suborbital flights to get

760
00:30:24,630 --> 00:30:22,480
uh jimmy the messenger boy back from the

761
00:30:25,990 --> 00:30:24,640
satellite you know

762
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:26,000
that's a hassle

763
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,279
but um

764
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,960
yeah it was it was fun

765
00:30:31,669 --> 00:30:30,559
it's it's weird we're finishing up

766
00:30:33,430 --> 00:30:31,679
recording

767
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:33,440
uh literally

768
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,399
days before this needs to be done and we

769
00:30:40,470 --> 00:30:38,240
started recording i think

770
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,480
samantha and i did the first recording

771
00:30:44,549 --> 00:30:42,880
of some of her scenes that then

772
00:30:46,950 --> 00:30:44,559
subsequently got rewritten completely

773
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:46,960
and needed to be recorded um i think in

774
00:30:50,710 --> 00:30:48,399
the middle of june

775
00:30:54,310 --> 00:30:50,720
of this year so

776
00:30:56,789 --> 00:30:54,320
this project has been has been gestating

777
00:30:58,630 --> 00:30:56,799
for uh for a while gestating there's a

778
00:31:00,789 --> 00:30:58,640
word like the little chest burster

779
00:31:02,950 --> 00:31:00,799
things an alien um

780
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:02,960
so you ever seen an alien

781
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:06,240
oh once and never again it was nice oh

782
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:07,919
john hurt is amazing

783
00:31:15,190 --> 00:31:10,240
yeah good it is good stuff though

784
00:31:20,389 --> 00:31:18,630
if the aliens contacted you

785
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,399
and wanted you to be

786
00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:21,840
their representative

787
00:31:27,269 --> 00:31:23,440
on earth

788
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:30,070
well i guess it would depend on um

789
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:32,799
on what their message was right if

790
00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:34,960
they're if they're uh if their message

791
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,840
was was positive and kind of um

792
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:40,080
something that i could get behind

793
00:31:46,470 --> 00:31:43,440
i'd probably say sure why not

794
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,480
so so you're willing to be the puppet of

795
00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:48,000
interplanetary

796
00:31:51,269 --> 00:31:49,840
tyrants as long as you agree with our

797
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:51,279
politics

798
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:52,559
yes well you got to be a puppet of

799
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,269
as well

800
00:32:02,230 --> 00:32:00,710
this is this is why you're choosing

801
00:32:04,630 --> 00:32:02,240
media materials

802
00:32:06,549 --> 00:32:04,640
yeah i'm not a creative i'm just i'm

803
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:06,559
just a functionary yes just a

804
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,840
functionary

805
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:09,919
well thank you for uh for your work on

806
00:32:15,029 --> 00:32:12,559
the the program and for talking to us

807
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:15,039
here today it's been fun

808
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,200
all right that's it until after

809
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:19,039
christmas we'll have some more little

810
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,200
bonus content like this probably not

811
00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:24,080
this long uh coming to you at some point

812
00:32:31,190 --> 00:32:25,760
in the next

813
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,200
between now and our triumphant um 2022

814
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:33,440
return and as always keep an eye on our

815
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:35,919
social media channels twitter youtube

816
00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:37,919
yeah youtube yeah we're on there youtube

817
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:40,480
facebook twitter at sauce or live just

818
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,760
search for it and it should come up and

819
00:32:44,950 --> 00:32:43,120
there are links on the website at